Explaining Proof of Attendance with POAPgod from POAP

Host:  Hey everybody.  Welcome back to The Unstoppable Podcast.  I'm your host, Diana Chen, and I'm here today with a very special guest and very excited about I've got POAPgod with me.  He is from POAP, Proof of Attendance Protocol, which is getting all the hype and all the talk on Twitter these days, everybody is talking about it.  I think at ECC, it was brought up a lot too.  And I'm really excited to chat with POAPgod about what POAP is.  And then he's got a pretty interesting story about how he got into crypto as well that I'm excited for all of you to hear.  So welcome, POAPgod, thank you so much for being here.

POAPgod:  Pleasure to be here.  Thanks for having me.

Host:  So before we dive into POAP and what that's all about and what you're doing there, I want to know about your background.  How did you get into the crypto space?  Tell people like, when did you first hear about it?  And then what was it about crypto that caught your attention and drew you in?

POAPgod:  So my original introduction into crypto was probably around like 2017.  And I kind of, like seen like everywhere, like crypto, crypto, crypto, this was like 2017, the Bull Run, everyone's talking about crypto, everyone's getting rich and was like, all right, I want to get rich.  So I was like, all right, let me get some crypto and like, see what's up.  So I bought Litecoin at like, tippy top I timed it perfectly.  And like, everything crashed, and I got burned and I was like, Wow, this sucks.  I, kind of, got scammed and I didn't really learn about the technology behind some of these coins and some of these things.  

So I kind of, gave it up. I was like, whatever I'm done.  I'm going to go back into the game world because I'm a gamer at heart.  I play all the time, go back to work, and I'll figure it out.  So like fast forward three years, Fall of 2020, I was sat down by the two mentors I have in the space, my brother and my friend, Gio [phonetic] and they said to me listen there's something out there that's special right now and that's crypto.  

They introduced me to Ethereum NFT's DEFI, they're like, this is the future.  We want you to learn it now and we know your gaming background will probably translate well into learning more about this.  So that's kind of, like how I got into it.  And then I just overtime, just watching videos learning more, I finally came across POAP, probably around March, and then the rest is history now I'm here.

Host:  Yeah, for sure.  So when you first learned about it—I mean you came in from already a skeptical perspective, because you got burned back in 2017.  So you're coming in with this already kind of, like, a skeptical attitude about it.  So what was it that like made it click for you and that sort of turned around your mentality about it and like helped you understand what all of this was about?

POAPgod:  So for me, it was like, I wouldn't say easy, but it was easier than a normal person getting crypto because I had two mentors that were around the space since 2017.  They were through the bear market, learning the technology and they were able to point me in the right direction.  So they said, learn about this, learn about that learn about this protocol, this project, learn about these people, these are good people, they know what they're talking about.  And from that you can learn more.  

And they always said to me listen, if you want to learn something, go directly to the source, go to the white paper, go to the discord engage with the protocol leaders, the core members, because you could talk to founders of protocols and discord like, it was still that early.  You could you could talk to them on—engage with them on Twitter.  So that's kind of, like, how I got deep down the rabbit hole and they said, listen one day—this doesn't make sense to you now, but one day, it's going to click in your head, and you can't un-see it, you know, you're—now going down the rabbit hole.

Host:  Yeah, and I guess that's what happened to you right?

POAPgod:  Yeah, and it's unfortunate not everyone could do what I did and they have mentors.  So that's kind of like the dilemma with people learning about crypto, they just think it's about money.  They don't understand that there's technology behind it, and the future. 

Host:  Yeah, 100%.  I mean, I can totally relate to that.  I think before I got into it, I thought crypto was all about finance.  And it was I was like, I'm not interested in finance.  And so why would I be interested in any of this, but there is, as we now know way more than that.  So you get exposed to POAP in March.  So when you first heard about POAP, what went through your head?  Did it just make sense to you right away or did you sort of have to ask a lot of questions and figure out what it was?

POAPgod:  Well, I asked a lot of questions.  Of course, that's again, my nature.  So it kind of made sense to me right away because I'm a gamer.  I come from the gaming world, when I was younger I used to collect things.  And this kind of, like, clicked in my head.  It resonated to me right away.  And I was on the POAP community core 1 and that's where I got sucked in.  I was like, "oh." like the first time in the crypto space where I felt like, I want to do this and or learn more about this, other than just, like, trying to make money and just learn the technology behind it.  I wanted to be a part of it.  

So then I learned more about POAP; I learned what it was and I found my little spot in the space where I could enjoy it make some POAPs and things like that.

Host:  Yeah, for sure.  Okay.  So tell people who aren't familiar with POAP Proof Of Attendance Protocol, what is it?

POAPgod:  So it's essentially a digital NFT collectible, that proves that you either attended something, or you achieve something, or prove that you did something.  So for example, I went to ECC in France a couple of weeks ago, and there was a POAP there proving that I went there and I was an attendee.  I could prove this on the blockchain, with this NFT digital collectible.  

Another example, as far as like achievements go, if you're like early participants in protocols and things like that, they give early members POAPs to prove that like you were there from the beginning, and things like that.

Host:  For sure.  And so just to help people like understand the use cases, for people who are new to all of this, why would you want to be able to prove, for instance, that you attended ECC, or that you attended a concert or a conference, or whatever the case is?  Why is it important?  Why would people want to have this digital collectible representing their attendance somewhere?

POAPgod:  For that, basically, if I prove to you that I went to this conference, and I got this digital NFT collectible, I essentially prove to you that not only an address—Ethereum address, I'm also a person because I got this in person.  And it's like, almost like a proof of humanity.  That's like one of the things.  And that's kind of one of the things that clicks in my head with POAPs.  And then you also have things like, when you're part of community, you get POAPs for engaging with the community, whether it's governance, participant, things like that.  And it gives you it's almost reputation system, like I've done this with this protocol.  And it's kind of like, falls into the identity reputation category of these things.

Host:  Yeah, so it's sort of—in a sense it feels like it's bragging rights, but then in another sense, it feels you could use it for almost your on chain resume or something.  If I'm trying to prove to you—like, if I'm new to the crypto space, and I'm trying to prove that I'm learning super fast and even though I've only been in the space for less than a year, I actually know a lot of stuff, I can prove it to you by maybe having a badge for all of the conferences I've gone to or all of the talks that I've gone to.  

I think I went to a DAO—just like a zoom call, like about DAOs and I got a POAP badge for that and I wasn't even expecting that, and it was a nice surprise.  So I could, collect all of these and show you, hey, look, I've gotten to 100 talks about crypto in the last six months, so yeah, it's only been six months, but I've learned a lot, sort of, thing?

POAPgod:  100%.  I definitely agree.  And that—beyond that there's so many use cases for it that I'm still learning, you know.

Host:  For sure.  I mean, I think to about with musicians or artists just to show that you're a fan of somebody, if I wanted to show that—if I really liked Taylor Swift or something and I wanted to show that I'm a true fan, not like everybody out there that says they're fans, I can prove it by showing you that I've gone to every single one of her concerts and done whatever else events that she's had, or something too, right?

POAPgod:  Yeah, for like—so that's something for like future use cases that I think about all the time.  So for example, I tell people all if I go to a—so I go to a basketball game, and I get my ticket, maybe I get a cup holder for my beer.  Maybe I get a foam finger and I'm in the stands cheering.  At the end of the day, I go home, I may lose one of these things, I don't know where they're going to go, what if we could put a pole up on the back of the ticket, and I could scan it and prove that I was at the game.  And I could show people like, listen, I could prove it to you, I have custody of it.  I could do whatever I want with it.  And there's a lot of use cases like that, that I think about and especially with the gaming world, that go into a lot of depth.

Host:  Yeah, for sure.  I definitely do like that aspect of basically tying your off chain attendance at something like your real life physical attendance and something with an on-chain KPI.  So did—somebody that came to that came to my event or my live stream or whatever, do a certain thing as well and so—yeah, I totally see so many different use cases for this in the future that I'm really, really excited about.  And for you I guess, jumping ahead a little bit what are you guys building out at POAP?  What are you most excited about at POAP about how people can use this in the future?

POAPgod:  So future use cases like I touched on before; like going through life events, getting things where POAP is not yet.  Another example is, like, I come from the gaming world.  I'm a gamer, I collect items.  I achieve things in video games and at the end of the day, I don't really own them, like, it's on the video game, if they release an expansion or a new version of it, I might lose those things.  

So imagine a world where I play a video game, and I could tie that to a POAP that I achieve something.  So that's kind of the direction they want to go and I want to go with this, where my passion really is.

Host:  Super cool, super cool.  I also see it as—I mean, we could go on about future use cases all day, but another thing that just came to mind too, is using POAP to create gated communities.  And so say, you want to create a new social media or something that's only for gamers, and you want it to be like a really tight-end gaming community.  It could even be for a specific game, I don't know—what's like a game that you like to play right now?

POAPgod:  Oh, well, right now, like I haven't been able to play, but the main games I used to play was like World of Warcraft, Counter Strike, things like that.  And I think it would work great in communities like that, where like you don't own the rights to anything.  That's the cool thing about NFT's in general.  And that's why I think POAP is like the future of things.  And that's how I see things.

Host:  Yeah, so there's POAP representing in game items, and then there's also POAP representing say imagine that, there was this social media, platform or a community of all World of Warcraft players.  And you have to show that you're actually a World of Warcraft player at a certain level, in order to join the community and to join the discord or join the Reddit  and join the conversation and so that way you don't have a bunch of noobs going in there saying like, "What is World of Warcraft?" or just making like ignorant comments."  You have people who are all like dedicated fans, and you can have—your quality of conversation then in that sort of setting is so much higher than your quality of conversation on like—if you posted something about World of Warcraft, on Twitter, and then anybody and everyone can comment, whatever they want, you're going to get like 75%, just like trash comments.  

So yeah POAP could be a way to, sort of, prove that you're qualified enough to join a community like that.  So there's yeah, there's—like I said, we could go on all day about future use cases.  So how can people actually use POAP today?  Tell me like both from an event organizer perspective, as well as from an attendee perspective how does it actually work?

POAPgod:  So if I wanted to do this, like an event, I would go to the website, app.poap.xyz/admin/events.  And on that page, you could actually see other events that are coming up and you could you could even view them to see, like, oh, this is how they did this and that.  So at that point, you would create your own event for the event you want to do a POAP. 

So I would go to the Create Page and I would put it in a title POAP, a description.  I would put the picture, it would be a—the standard format is 500 by 500 PNG file and then I would also link it to a website.  So a website where you could go to the event, whether it's a live stream, or it's an Eventbrite ID thing, where you go to a somewhere, maybe I went to New York City, and I went to an event.  And then you plug in your e-mail, and they'll send you claim codes and with these claim codes, you could distribute them to events—to members of your event and yeah…

Host:  Nice.  So it's pretty easy.  So they would have to come in with all their own event details, their badge as well, because I've seen the badges that you created sort of all looks like in a similar style.  Can people ask you to create a badge for them or do they have to come in with their own?

POAPgod:  No.  So this is the cool thing about POAP, it just has to be an idea, like I have an event, I want to do this, or I want people to participate in this and you get a call for it.  And there's people out there like me that can help you just walk you through it.  So people on the POAP discord, you could talk to the telegram.  You don't need to be an artist; you just have to have an idea.  

There's artists in the space that are always looking to collaborate with people.  You just got to be willing to look for it and it's very easy to get done.  You can hit me up on Twitter whenever and I'll help you walk you through it.  Hold your hand, whatever.

Host:  That's awesome, that's awesome.  And then for event attendees, if I'm just curious what events are being held out there.  Can I just go on the website and scroll through events like, sort of, if you're scrolling through Eventbrite or something?

POAPgod:  Yeah.  So you could go to like crypto Twitter, you'll see a lot of things.  There's telegram groups.  I live in New York.  There's a New York City thing where it shows crypto events.  I'm going to a crypto event tonight maybe tomorrow too.  There's things going on in the area you don't even really, you just have to look for it.  And then on the ad main event page, you can see things sometimes too, but I would mainly get involved in communities and telegram groups to really see what's going on.

Host:  Yeah, for sure.  And then when you create an event on the website, how does like the minting part of it work, how do you get this on the Blockchain?

POAPgod:  So when you, when you get the claim code, you send it to people and I redeem the POAP.  I type in my Ethereum address, or an e-mail address, which is the newer thing.  You could use an email address.  It's free to use and free to mint.  So if I created an event, it's free and if I meant it, it's free.  

So when I type in my Ethereum address in mints to my Ethereum address, which as of right now POAP is on Exsti.  So your POAPs are minted on Exsti, but they're in your Ethereum address.  You can migrate them to MainNet, which would cost the guest fee and that's one of the main reasons why it's on Exsti now, it's too expensive right now to be on MainNet.  And in the future POAP will be on Main net, it's just we're kind of, far from that and that's the direction they're headed.

Host:  Got you.  And then is it only for crypto events?  Or have you had people schedule anything?  Okay.  Have you actually had people schedule like concerts or like just totally like not crypto related things on there yet?

POAPgod:  Not yet.  I want to do that.  That's, like, my next thing, but as of lately, I've been seeing events going on in New York, and I'm just like, "Yo, listen, I'll show up, I'll make a POAP and I'll bring the stickers and I'll hand them out" and that's kind of how you get people involved.  Because at these crypto events, it's not just these genius people, they're just normal people that want to learn.  So you get people like that in and that's a great way to like introduce them to blockchain technology and there's more to it than making money.  There's learning and the future.

Host:  Yeah, I got to connect you with—do you know Wookie [phonetic]?

POAPgod:  No, I never heard.

Host:  He's like a DJ or re-mixer.  I don't know, the proper term for it, but we had him on the podcast too.  So he's just like a musician, like a normal musician, but he's really into crypto and like NFT's and stuff like that you should connect with him —

POAPgod:  I would love too.

Host:  — to like POAP some of his concerts —

POAPgod:  Yeah.  I would love to that would be amazing.

Host:  — that he's got coming up.  Yeah, sweet.  And then you also mentioned, when you go to these conferences, a lot of these people are just, "normal people", not that crypto people aren't normal people, but you actually have like a pretty cool story about how you got on-boarded, as just like a "normal person."  And I'm curious if you want to, like, share that story at all, or how you got on boarded into POAP when without really having been deep in the space at all?

POAPgod:  Yes, so basically, like, my story is, I'm a normal guy, I still work a full time job outside of crypto.  I live a normal life yet.  You don't have to be this mega genius to get involved in the crypto space.  You just have to want to— have to want to learn and be transparent don't try to tell people things, but you don't, and you want to learn.  

So get involved in the communities, get involved in DAOs, get involved in protocols, community calls, and then you slowly learn about things and then you hear things, maybe, I like to do this, maybe I want to be part of a DAO.  And that's kind of how like, I did it.  And if I could do it, I think anyone could do it because I'm like the most normal basic guy.  I still work a 40 hour work week and I do this as a hobby.

Host:  That's pretty sweet.  Yeah, I love that.  And then so a lot of people these days are really curious about DAOs and how to get involved.  And I think that's a big problem we're seeing and DAOs, is you have all these people that want to get involved, but they just don't really know how.  And so if you had to like, sort of, give somebody like that a step by step guide for how to get involved in a DAO or a project like you do since you clearly did it successfully what would be your step by step guide for that?

POAPgod:  Step by step guide for something like that would be just like get involved, whether it's in their discord, go on crypto Twitter, you'll see things happening you join these discord, you ask questions.  People want you to learn.  They want new members outside of crypto.  It's not all about people that know crypto and they're really tech-savvy and they're super geniuses.  You got to have to want to learn and people love that, they love the initiative and they're going to want to help you learn.

Host:  Yeah, I love that.  Get on a community call, reach out to people take initiative, I think yeah, that about sums it up.  One question I had for you about POAP is that, there is—so I know—people who are just obsessed with collecting POAP badges without really haven't gone to the events or anything —

POAPgod:  It's me.

Host:  — you could just—yeah right, but then people that are trying to sort of almost scam the system.

POAPgod:  Yeah, gaming system.

Host:  You can create like 10 different wallets right and then redeem a POAP badge for one event using all of these wallets and I don't know who's out there that has the time to do this or what the purpose is, but there are people out there.  Is there a way that based on how POAP is set up to prevent this from happening?

POAPgod:  So I think this is a problem in general, even throughout IeFi, these are like civil attacks.  So people will make multiple wallets and try to farm airdrops or whatever they do.  So as of now, the POAP team is aware, like, this is a problem.  It's actually a bigger problem than most people think.  I've been at community calls where there's 30 people and 400 people claimed the plot.  It doesn't make sense.  

This people will maliciously out there trying to farm.  There's different distribution methods for the POAPs.  They have things like the POAP bot or the POAP Reddit bot, where you send this bot on discord, a claim where the secret word, it could be POAPgod, and it spits back a claim link at you.  That's one of the more gameable ways to get a POAP, like people can make seven discords.  And then they have things like, handing them out in person, you can't convince me, you're going to want 10 of my POAPs in my hand, I'll know you're farming it.  

And then there's also things like within the POAP ecosystem, for example, POAP.delivery.  POAP.delivery, is something where you grab a dataset of like addresses, so participants—for example, if let's say, participants we provide liquidity to a protocol early on in the protocol, they might gather the list of those addresses, put it into POAP delivery and now if you're in that list, you're able to go to POAP.delivery and claim the POAP proving that you provided liquidity at the time, and things like that.  That's hard to the game, because that's data on the blockchain and you can't game that really.

Host:  Yeah, it's almost like having a guest lists to like a club or something.

POAPgod:  Exactly.

Host:  Your name has to be on the guest list.  And then once you claim it, it's crossed off.  And that's that.

POAPgod:  But there's things being worked on diligently behind the scenes, because they know it's a problem.  For example, today, I was in a sushiAMA, and the POAP team was there, they would just shoot the shit.  They were asking the questions.  And one of the guys from the sushi discord developed this POAP bot, which detected how long you were in the discord channel listening to the call.  

And at the end of the event when you went to go claim, the bot could tell if you were in the channel or not.  So when you went to go claim it, I would say, you weren't in the channel, you're not getting one basically not like that, obviously or if you were in it, it would give you a claim link, and then you would claim it.  So that's like one of the more clever ways that are coming out, but there's a lot of things coming in the near future to help against these civil attacks.

Host:  Yeah, and are all these natively built into POAP?  Or are these like third party apps that people have to use to get these things done?

POAPgod:  These are basically all third-party except for POAP.delivery, but they're also—they're all—yeah, they're all like a part of the Ethereum ecosystem, people see these things going on.  And they want to help, so they create these methods, these distribution methods to help this out and I think that's pretty cool about the community, you know.

Host:  Yeah, for sure.  Are these people from like, the POAP discord channel that are using it—find these problems in the system, and they take the initiative to just create these things?

POAPgod:  Yeah, that's mainly what it is.  It's like, these really tech-savvy people even or other communities that like want to give out a POAP and they see what's going on—a lot of people have these ideas, they just don't know about POAP yet.  And like, that's like, kind of, the thing I want to get involved in is like education on POAP to other people because once you bring POAP to a community, it's very powerful, the way you could use these things, but not a lot of people really know about it, you know.

Host:  Yeah, for sure, for sure.  Another question I had is, so we've just been talking about, sort of, the core POAP product, but there's a whole POAP ecosystem out there, with POAP vote, POAP art, POAP gallery —

POAPgod:  Yeah, I get into it.

Host:  I see post all of that.  Yeah, yeah I'd love to hear about like what all of that is?

POAPgod:  So like start off with like the easiest one to understand.  There's a thing called POAP scan.  So you would go to app.poap.xyz, and you would plug in your Ethereum address, and it would show you the collection of POAPs you have, your POAP wallet, essentially and you have POAP admin.  So that's how you would create the event, app.poap.xyz/admin/events.  You could see upcoming events in the crypto space.  And you could also create an event or a POAP, essentially.  You have things like POAP.vote.  POAP.vote is if we have POAPs for this specific community, this community could create a poll and we could vote on it based off the POAPs we have.  

In order to vote on this poll you have to have this POAP, whatever it is they want to use.  So I think that one's pretty cool because some communities don't have a token, a governor's token, they might just have POAPs and that's a cool way to get like something up and running right away, quick poll and you—not just random people, not like a straw poll, but something that can be proven that, like, this person was here months ago and community calls or participating in certain things.  

And you have things like POAP.fun which is a raffle system, which you could set—anyone could do a POAP.fun raffle system.  So you could set the POAPs you want for the raffle and you set these prizes.  And it's a lottery system and you can make it so, like, I have 10 POAPs for this call from this protocol and each one is a ticket to the raffle.  So that's like another cool use case for POAP.fun, and then you have POAP.art, which is like the more sophisticated one out of the whole ecosystem.  And POAP.art is basically a canvas that people could collaborate on communities and draw these masterpieces and express themselves into art.  

So I'll give you an example, so essentially, if a community give out a POAP, this POAP would then activate my access to a canvas.  The canvas is could be different sizes.  And we all, in a collaborative effort we have fun, we just draw whatever, you can draw stars, you could draw anything you want and you just have fun with it.  And that's like one of the cooler ones that have been Popping up lately that I really enjoyed.  And then of course, you have the—there's the POAP mobile app, which is like the main focus that I think would be good for mass adoption, because a lot of people they like using their phone this is their main source of information.  

So imagine the POAP mobile app, you could do all this on the POAP mobile app, right now you can't but in the future, I'll be willing to bet you could.

Host:  Yeah, for sure.  That's super cool.  Yeah, I love the POAP.art thing.  Are you mostly seeing, like, NFT communities using that feature?

POAPgod:  So it's like more crypto-native community.  So I'll give you an example, so for the London Hard Fork yesterday, each staker, which is a group of guys that helped people stake and they're focused on the health of the - - chain.  They hosted a live stream for the London Hard Fork and they gave out a POAP for watching the live stream.  This POAP activated you to join the canvas and draw pixels.  

On that canvas there was I think 580 unique people drawing on that canvas.  And then another cool thing is like, if you place pixels on the canvas, you were then eligible for a pixel dropper, canvas POAP, so that was cool.  And then after that, if you have these POAPs from this event, you were then activated that you could get into a raffle for cool prizes based around this.  So like there's depth to it, besides just getting apart for the event, like, you can make a lot of fun out of these things.

Host:  Yeah, that is super cool.  I love that.  I'm curious too like, what sorts of things are you most bullish on like outside of POAP in the crypto community?

POAPgod:  Honestly, I wouldn't say anything in particular.  Yeah, I'm just kind of like, all into POAP right now.  And the thing about POAP is like, for me to make a good POAP and give it to the community, I have to kind of learn what's going on.  So if you go to my Twitter, I've made POAPs about, let's say, the one that I dropped yesterday.  I dropped the London one and it was the London Bridge with - - and Eric Connor, Tim Bayko [phonetic], and Justin Drake.  

And these are like four of the main—not the main, but there was a lot of people, but like, these were the four people that were, like, essential and pushing, pushing this and creation of this, so like things like that.  You have to learn the tech, for me, at least to like make these cool POAPs, which is like cool, because I learned and I make you know.

Host:  Yeah, do you come from an art background yourself?

POAPgod:  I don't, I have no artistic ability.  So I source out the artwork to like people within the community like whoever wants to do it.  That's the cool thing.  People think I do the art.  I'm just an idea I just bounce ideas around with my friends and that's I just make them happen.

Host:  Okay.  I was going to say because that the POAP you made for the podcast, which is amazing, like nobody has ever put together I mean, I know this is like a badge, but like a poster, anything, any sort of like graphic for the podcast, so I'm super excited about that.  I was that's actually like very creative and very clever.  And I was like, I can't believe he put it together so fast.

POAPgod:  I really enjoyed that.  I thought like, immediately once I realized being interviewed, I was, like, I have to get something made that's pretty cool.  So I was looking around and finding artists I found one and I was like, can you make this happen?  And they gave it to me and I was, like, this is amazing.  

So then I showed you it on Twitter and I'm kind of happy because now we could give it out like if you watch this podcast, DM me on Twitter I'll give it to you, put it that way.  That's like my distribution method, you know?

Host:  Yeah.  No, that's awesome, but actually though, like, DM POAPgod on Twitter, if you are watching this or listening to this on Apple, Spotify, whatever, and we'll get you hooked up with a POAP badge for having listened to this podcast episode.  So this is super cool, this is super cool.  

Last question for you POAPgod in your ideal world, okay, say we could like put ourselves 10 years into the future, in your ideal world if the crypto ecosystem develops as we're developing now, which is very quickly, and everything goes according to plan.  Where do you see us being in 10 years?  You know, with anything you can you can talk about with NFT's, with DEFI, with the Metaverse with like, anything, how are we just operating in our day to day lives?

POAPgod:  So this kind of touches back on to what I was saying before with the game world and everything that, like, with POAP in general, being able to get these things for life achievements.  And on top of that I want to be able to go to the store, pay with crypto and I want to be able to transfer money overseas, pay with crypto, but right now it's, kind of, like, we're in a crossroads with the government everything and you can't do these things.  And I think that over time these things that we can't even think about right now that are going to be the future, just like the way, who would have thought we were going to have an iPhone in the 90s or the 80s?  So that's what I, kind of, think about it.

Host:  Yeah, for sure.  I think a lot of it is still just completely unimaginable to us.  I think where will actually be in 10 years.  A lot of those things, like, we can't even perceive right now, we can't even imagine right now because it's just so farfetched from what we're used to at this point in our lives.  So I am super excited to see how things develop any final words about POAP before we let you go.

POAPgod:  Oh, no, this is you're going to see me on Twitter a lot.  I'm going to be making a lot of noise with POAP and yeah, that's it.

Host:  Yeah, and then so remind people again, I know we've talked about it in this podcast but just to sum everything up remind people again, where they can find you how they can DM you to get a POAP badge for this podcast episode and then remind them again with the link is to go and check out POAP or create an event on POAP.  

POAPgod:  So if you need help with anything POAP related you can hit me up on Twitter at POAPgod if you need—for this podcast specifically, just hit me up in DM and say listen, I listened to the podcast with you I'll send you one right over, and if you ever have any questions about POAP in general go to the discord go to the telegram.  The founder of POAP is literally in the discord every day interacting with people they have a great team, passionate people that help people all day long.  Don't be discouraged because you're not an artist so because you might not have ideas.  Maybe you just you think I want to make this for an event, but you have no idea we want to do just like shoot ideas are all people in the discord.

Host:  Like remind people the links again to for like setting up an event or just —

POAPgod:   Okay.  So if you want to make an event other than going to the discord and hitting me up that, the link is app.poap.xyz/admin/event, and you can see upcoming events and you could create your own event there too for a POAP.

Host:  Perfect, perfect thank you so much POAPgod for joining me on this podcast episode.  Thank you again to for creating that awesome POAP badge and hooking us up with some POAP badges for this podcast episode.  And thank you everybody for tuning in.  Again, don't forget to go DM POAPgod after you listen to this so that you can claim your POAP badge and we will be back again soon with another episode of Unstoppable Podcast.

POAPgod:  Thanks for having me.